Saturday, October 16, 2010

Conversations




2. There are two kinds of conversation:
a.  A spirited competition for the floor two or more displays of peoples' Spectres; the idea is to get my idea across.  When an other one is vocal, wait for my chance and jump in with what I may have to say.  I and my are big in spectral activity. You is minimal.

Me, me, me are the subject of baby talk-- infantile, and you may be sure your Spectre is at such a level.

Do I spend my entire lives trying to build my ego, my empire, my happiness? Is that what makes me tick?  Am I dominated and controlled by my Spectre? Those are searching questions, and he is happy who is reflecting on them. That may lead you to a more creative (and truly) happy life.

b. Courteous conversation is much more creative. I don't attempt to keep the floor; I truly want to hear what you have to say; I truly want what's best for you. My ego is secure because it's not dependent on winning out against some one else; instead it takes honest pleasure in seeing some one else succeed.

To see them succeed may require you to shock your friend instead of just edging away, or daydreaming while he's talking.  If his idea of conversation is a monologue, he needs to be told otherwise.  Blake was pretty good at that; he cut off quite a few pretty shortly.

These 'conversations' are actually critiques, but this may be the nearest to conversation we can find in his Works:

Swedenborg:
 "I have always found that Angels have the vanity to speak of
themselves as the only wise; this they do with a confident
insolence sprouting from systematic reasoning:
Thus Swedenborg boasts that what he writes is new; tho' it
is only the Contents or Index of already publish'd books
A man carried a monkey about for a shew, & because he was a
little wiser than the monkey, grew vain, and conciev'd himself as
much  wiser than seven men. It is so with Swedenborg; he shews the
folly of churches & exposes hypocrites, till he imagines that all
are religious. & himself the single [PL 22] One on earth that
ever broke a net.
Now hear a plain fact: Swedenborg has not written one new
truth: Now hear another: he has written all the old falshoods.
And now hear the reason. He conversed with Angels who are
all religious, & conversed not with Devils who all hate religion,
for he was incapable thro' his conceited notions.
Thus Swedenborgs writings are a recapitulation of all
superficial opinions, and an analysis of the more sublime, but no
further.
Have now another plain fact: Any man of mechanical talents
may from the writings of Paracelsus or Jacob Behmen, produce ten
thousand volumes of equal value with Swedenborg's.
and from those of Dante or Shakespear, an infinite number."
(Marriage of Heaven and Hell; plates 21-22 (Erdman 42-3) 

Sir Joshua Reynolds,

Plato even Milton, and many others, Quakers? not that we know of, but he should have.
Blake as usual followed a pattern he found from the Bible, in Jesus' addresses to the Seven Churches



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